I'll update this list as I get new stuff in too. I have had to send back two pairs on separate occasions that both had massive construction errors. But they are still good value for money. Orbans (above) is a brand started by Marcos Fernandez, who also started Septieme Largeur and other brands in France. Carmina shoes are good shoes that firmly grip your feet for extra balance and stability. These insoles are advanced comfort systems that are meant to keep your feet comfy and cozy all day. The point about corrected Vs full grain leathers is not a meaningful distinction. One brand not mentioned were the French company Bexley. Maybe even a philosophical one. I suspect 8UK would have been better, * **Enzo Bonafe 74945** 8UK perfect fit, snug around the heel and ball with a comfortable instep but still toe room, * **Enzo Bonafe 804** 7.5UK fits a bit better than 8UK, 8UK has a lot of heel slip in shell boots, * **Enzo Bonafe 062** 8UK fits similarly to 804 7.5UK. Its also (if im not mistaken) the only brand that advertises the fact that they use full-grain leather from reputable tanneries on all their shoes (admittedly, based on the price, they probably use the cheaper cuts of leather, but from those tanneries nonetheless). C&J 341 - 9.5 UK. Lets not forget also that a bespoke shoe with a fiddle-back waist and angled heels can also have an element of vanity (albeit smaller than a watch). Looking forward to this. Thats is some very useful information Jesper, thank you! Even so, I do believe that the Meermins are the best value-for-money among the shoes mentioned. "Another area where a lot of the English makers fall down, at this price level and below, is the soles, which aren't as good as Spanish brands in general. Spoo coming through with a great thread. Theyre all Spanish except Septieme Largeur, which is French but made in Spain. I could fully close the lacing with the shoes still being a little loose with 9E. For what its worth Joshua, (with plenty of experience of both) I wouldnt necessarily consider C&J a step up from Trickers. Toe box is comfortable but not a lot of play, heel is well locked in. Heel to ball fits much like Barrie 9.5D, with a tiny bit more volume, but toe box tapers more sharply from both sides. I would also like to mention that apart from PS, I also read Jesper Ingevaldsson, who was featured in this article, (www.shoegazing.com) and Justin FitzPatrick (www.theshoesnobblog.com). Its actually something well touch on in our upcoming piece looking at budgets and capsule wardrobes. Ive only been reading PS for a few months, and I immediately got hooked to the point that I spend my free time reading past articles in order to catch up. GC RTW are made by C&J so they are likely to be quite similar. And of course I could be wrong, but still believe theres something behind it. Where would you fit in Carlos Santos? Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. Ive never been sure if I am just more accepting of shoe prices or if I am proportional as I bulk at the idea of spending 400 on a jumper but happy to buy C&J main line. A couple of corrections on your US list Simon. Morjas is similar in having a cleaner make, and is a touch more expensive than the other two. Since that was my advice in your survey, I can only but congratulate. Ive gradually moved more towards the Handgrade products, though not entirely, as the range of styles is more limited. Boot socks. Im a long term Crockett and Jones customer I buy main line and handgrade (I prefer the handgrade for the softness of the leather and the whole leather inner, which feels lovely). In my experience, AE is not second to the former neither in leather quality nor make, and features more comfortable footbeds (especially vs Carmina), only it is not as sleek. Using these focus points, lets get into the comparison of these two shoe brands: Also, the materials of the Meermin shoes are flexible and stretchable enough to accommodate most feet. Morjas uses corrected-grain leather, despite their claims to the contrary. Im an Alden fanboy with the exception of longwings. 9.5D heel to toe. But their attempt to branch out has caused them to lose their focus. While a bespoke suit might of course feel a bit better in how it fits and how you can move, it isnt really more comfortable and better for the health of your body compared to a midrange full canvas suit, in the same way as bespoke shoes. Apart from the differences in material qualities, a major difference between Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes is the price tags that these shoes are sold and distributed for. . Old Edlyn is equivalent to a 41.5, * **Winson Qilin** EU42 fantastic fit all round, * **Winson Stark** EU42 Great fit on an engineer, instep is high enough to slip and and off and there is only a bit of heel slip due to the shaped heel. Does anyone know if English makers tend to have wider heels than their Spanish (or other continental counterparts). I have also tried on shoes from Yanko and Septieme Largeur. Below that, there are smaller differences created by new entrants to the market. Overall - and this all has to be generalisation - with English shoes you get a solid make and good quality control. Stitchdown boots you will get more lateral give across the width of the boot, and with welted products you'll get more . I might have very sensible feet but I wouldnt buy more mainline C&J. Quality control for us sticklers has been in question dating back to the aughts. REGULATION AND US. I can fully close the lacing most of the way up for an ideal look. A very nice pair of black cap toes on the Eton last but far to hard to break in. On the raw materials, you get oak-bark tanned soles, you get the top level of upper, and so on. Looking to buy (a much much cheaper alternative to aldens ) the Berwick plain toe derbyhttps://britishshoecompany.co.uk/collections/berwick-1707/products/berwick-mens-derby-leather-lace-up-shoes-5768-k6. The quality of the leather on my particular pair isnt as good as the Loake 1880 (or any of the other brands) but overall these are a well constructed pair of shoes. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Lobb, Green etc have never felt as good in my experience, and in the real world I have never been able to see how or where they could justify their relatively higher prices. I have 3 pairs of meermin and they are not hard to break in (aside from heel). France doesnt have the shoemaking tradition of the UK, Spain or Italy, and its brands like Loding or Orbans are all made in Spain and Portugal. Ie if you spend 500 on a pair of shoes youd probably be looking at circa 2,000 for your suit and 150 for your shirt. For 200, its a really solid shoe. I found it a source of much misinformation. You are using an out of date browser. No one wants their sole to wear down quickly, but points like the shaped waist are more aesthetic, and its up to you whether you care about them. I would also add that instead of trying to prove potential readers wrong, you might accept criticism gracefully and might have more success by doing more research and improving your writing. Snug in the forefoot and toebox but not tight. Great Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mostly great fit but too much heel slippage. Alexander 9E/9.5D: Excellent fit when worn sockless. The fact is that Cheaney have one flagship store and the vast bulk of their business is on line whilst JL are paying for expensive locations and staff explains all at the end of the day its not so complicated. Theyre not as refined as the other Asian brands, but stand out for making Goodyear in the old-school way, stitching directly to the insole. So, rather than the gemming method that most modern Goodyear shoes have, where a canvas ribbing is used instead. Were not aiming to cover the whole market here, by a long way the focus is on cheaper shoes that we would never normally cover on Permanent Style, really below 300. Im happy I earn enough now to not care about this market segment any longer. I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. Red Wing Postman: 10D, wore for a year but sold due to low volume toebox. I have found myself not liking the current 2021+ year make of the 2030 in 8.5 The changes have kind of fudged the instep for me right at the tongue seam. Putting that all aside, what do you think is the difference between mid-range makers (e.g. *UPDATE: Carmina say they do not use plastic heel stiffeners. You may learn more here. p.s. Overall, Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes. So, in summary, if you look at the price, most of Carmina's shoes cost 329 or 395 or $475, and for that amount of money, the range of last you get is quite good. Berwick is very good quality and seems to be stealing some of Loakes market share in the U.K. Prices at the well known shoe store near Victoria undercut Loake. Thanks EL. Thanks, Simon, Ive read those already. My 20 year old AS are still in great shape as are my relatively newer C&J me, Morjas and Skolyx have been better in that regard. Indeed the leather is really stiff. Assuming that none have cracks or discolorations, are there significant differences in how different grades of suede used for shoes wear over time? No stretch sir. He was told they had changed, as you see seem to have observed as well. Wolverine 1000 mile 9D: Gusseted tongue made the break in a little hard at first, overall a bit narrow and snug in the waist, but a very comfortable fit when broken in. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. G&G also have exceptional service in the store. Ive also, more recently, experienced the customer service at GC and G&G excellent in both cases, as was the consistently good service at the Little Cheaney shop in Leeds, when I lived in the North of England. Ive purchased two pairs over the past 10 months from brands in this article. The soft cushioning of the insoles in Carmina shoes are some of the best in the industry today. And in pictures I can see a difference in appearance, at least in terms of shape and design, but I am not sure if there is much of a difference elsewhere (I get that bespoke and such will fit nicer). There are many levels at tanneries, and cheaper brands dont get the same quality or the first selection. I live in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam so I know these companies. A bespoke suit certainly flatters the owner, makes them look good. I wonder how much more comfortable it would be. When I do, Im a repeat customer (for instance, narrow EG 202 Chelseas) but my narrow feet preclude me from buying most brands shoes. If it is plastic, it means it cant adapt to your heel shape over time, improving the fit. In particular, if you're interested in this price bracket, check out his buyer's guide here. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. You could specify any combo you wanted (dark navy to black, or dark purple to black, etc.) Will they last much longer? Unlined Carmina loafers. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Something to keep in mind. Measured as 9.5 D. Will get more detailed measurements after the pandemic, along with a military last fitting. Unstructured toe box feels a touch low, * **Yanko 955** 7.5UK fits snug but comfortable with thin socks to start. *** Viberg GYW fits just a touch smaller than Stitchdown. Forest is a rounded toe, regular instep and more room across the forepart. I used DT cushioned boot socks at the time. Carmina shoes are well-fitting shoes that grip your feet firmly on the go so that you get more balance and stability in your motions. Meermin offers loafers in simple colours of black, brown, copper, tan, and navy. if youre going to write mean spirited attacks on someone you shouldnt be surprised that they defend themselves and reply in kind The soles on the Trickers town shoes wear down quickly. The only major disadvantage compared to Goodyear is that the stitches come through on the inside of the shoe. With Carmina you can get a more refined shoe - closed-channel stitching, a more bevelled waist and so on. No one see this though, its only for yourself. Grant Stone Oliver 9D: Great fit. Id put them at around Barker/Loake territory, perhaps slightly better. Some of the shoes on sale are factory seconds and its not something they outrightly advertise. Ill be reviewing them separately, as theyre more similar to other shoes weve covered. I was about to replace my decades old AE McAllisters with a new one, but upon inspection, the newer shoe (same model) had wonky stitching and sloppy finishing. Youre better off looking at the tannery the leather came from and if it had a recognizable leather name (cxl for example) but even within that there are gradations on the product from the same tannery. Any sock works but medium thickness (Darn Tough light cushion) is ideal. However, I continue to buy loafers from Allen Edmonds because they sell shoes that come in 4-5 widths, so its easy for someone with narrow feet to find loafers that fit and wont fall off. Really good customer service is important to me and is one of the things that keeps me going back. You are of course free to think that theres better sources than Shoegazing. RM Williams Comfort Craftsman: 9.5G AUS - Great fit. So yes, you get more durable suede shoes higher up in the price ranges. Carmina Simpson 8.5UK: Tried for oxfords but had to return, instep was too low for closed lacing. Im keeping an eye open for Skomaker Dagestad Yamagata make-ups in the future. For example, I dont really care about super fine handwork on a shirt. Rafal hails from Poland and is a shoemaker who creates each pair of shoes by himself. To be clear, I dont know what they use. Cnes also has great hand-welted shoes too, about 350 I believe, which look a lot more expensive.. The Brannock size (heel-to-toe) will be the top parent comment. Maybe this section could be titled North America rather than United States. JavaScript is disabled. Not sure I'd feel the same today. Hello Simon, it would be interesting to have an additional piece about brands a tier above those, e.g. There's a tiny bit more room at the ball too now. He was also involved in the development of the TLB Artista range, so there is a financial relationship with all of those brands. Seemed comfortable at first but the more I wore it, the more I realized it just doesn't work for me. MP/Barrie 9.5E: Excellent fit right out of the box with thick or thin socks. I purchased a pair of chocolate brown suede chukkas from AFPOS a number of years ago, and the suede is a beautiful colour and has maintained its nap really well. Alongside the quality of the leather, something thats lost at this lower price level is consistency. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'footslide_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_6',108,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-medrectangle-4-0');The top-grade Shell Cordovan Leather material used to make Carmina shoes is surely one of the best in the world for dress shoes. Like the arbitrary claim that the soles on English soles wear out more quickly than European ones. 8 last 9D: Bad fit. They may not be top tier but they certainly are hard wearing. Ended up selling years later. Theyre the only pair from this collection that I got out of the box and went wow. Carmina shoes have soles that are durable and very comfortable in their design, due to the Goodyear Welt construction used to hold them in place. Look our for slightly used or shop worn EG, Lobb and St. Crispins on ebay. ), but perhaps that wouldnt be entirely appropriate. On an industry level, theres also more variation among the Spanish brands, not least because a lot of them are younger, changing, and trying to fit into an increasingly competitive market. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mediocre fit, a little snugger than I'd like across the top of the foot, but a good fit everywhere else. Less so in the winter. Good point about Allen Edmonds. There are some good value pick ups in this range, especially when youre figuring out what you like and dont like and building up your wardrobe slowly over time.. Nice, good to hear your experience Taylor, thanks. Viberg 2030D 9: The 9D is probably the best fit I have from Viberg, or tied with the 2040. The soles have also had some quality issues my shoes have channeled soles, and the top layer has peeled off repeatedly at the edges. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes, but they are also more valuable. $215 shipped to the US. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. Cheaper shoes will often have small mistakes, such as little splits in the sole or heel stack. It requires more knowledge to be able to see the difference between welted shoes at different stages of the quality segment, in general. Both of my pinky toes stick slightly out, sometimes I say I have splayed toes, but it's really just the pinky toe on each foot likes a bit of room. C&J do not run their own shops. Thanks for an informative post. Really appreciate the advice. Ive purchased a few Grenson pieces this year. Generally, more expensive suedes are the softer stuff, so it seems to me that theyd actually wear faster. I will refrain from commenting on fit unless people think it will be helpful. Vanity may well be part of the explanation, its hard to say. May have been fine with thinner socks. DESCRIPTION VIEW MODELS Forest is Carmina's most archetypal and early last. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. These shoes are classily elegant shoes that elevate the fashion style of the shoe wearer. both pairs have a dainite (or dainite-type, in Meermin's case) sole the Meermins have blind eyelets, whereas the Carminas have a brass eyelet that look to match the speedhook finish the heel on the Carminas is quite a bit longer than Meermin's A good pair of these would really satisfy your footwear style needs for a really long time. Arch support is nowhere near the 55 last but feels much more substantial than any other maker listed. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Take a ruler and measure between the base of the paper to the marked line. I guess you get what you pay for but this level of quality for the leather should be mentioned. ", Spain 1: TLB, Yanko, Septieme Largeur and Andres Sendra. Certainly compared to other parts of the shoe. As someone who has handled or owned several of these brands I thought it would be helpful to offer my experience, anecdotal though it may be. With TLB, you could choose a more versatile dark-brown calf, or perhaps brown suede but with leather soles. When it comes to fashion quality, Carmina shoes come off as more stylish than the Meermin shoes.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'footslide_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_8',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');FASHIONABLE CARMINASFASHIONABLE CARMINAS. Oliver 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks, like a glove custom-molded to my foot. I also had disappointing experiences with Myrqvists quality. Though, unsure of sizing, thanks. Rancourt's lasting seems very inconsistent. @ Matty, if your initial post was relatively friendly and good natured Im sure you would have gotten a similar reply. When weve returned to normal I might need a trip to Spain to try on a selection from Carmina, Meermin and the other brands suggested in this article. The main difference is that cheaper brands use split suede, where the hides have been split into two layers (sometimes even three, but thats mainly used for even cheaper shoes), while more expensive brands use reverse calf suede (where you have the full hide, and the flesh side is sanded). So far I remained unconvinced but then again I dont know any better. Given I can purchase a pair of CJ for 650 retail shipped from England this is not a great value. Still fine for the price point, as this piece suggests, but the quality control is miserable. Im always trying to promote Goodyear-welted shoes, but its not easy when someone has just tried Meermin, and thinks all proper shoes are that hard. So my true size is an 11.5, in most American boots I'm an 11, and all my boots with European sizing (like Tricker's) are a 10.5. MASSIVE. Crockett & Jones (bench grade): I own the Alex (wholecut on 348 last). Bought before I understood my size. Interesting selection. Wide midfoot, but a touch low instep which translates to average volume, just squashed a bit down. You are using an out of date browser. I'm interested in branching out from C&J to Carmina so I'll be paying attention to this thread. The class that you are getting for Carmina shoes is of real excellence. very snug in the toes. At first glance, you should be able to tell, to an extent, if a pair of shoes would be a good fit for you or not. Did you ever talk to them about what is the rationale behind this strategy? It is relatively easy to find them discounted, Apologies if this question is in the wrong place. With shoes, up to a certain quite high price point, you get what you pay for and further this is possible to judge objectively. 8.5D may have worked with thinner socks. Foot extends past footbed on sides. Arch support was a bit painful the first wear but feels great after a few hours. Finally and most importantly, find a last that truly fits your feet. 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