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I enjoyed the Adam and Eve analogy. Your Bishop and mine must of gone to the same training.

Unfortunately, you did not do what the organization counseled you to do, seek, obtain and maintain a testimony. If we are humble we receive it rejoicing. I can’t imagine the far-reaching consequences for you and for your family of this Bishop’s public bullying and violation of your privacy – and of his betrayal of your trust in the position that the Mormon Church has given him. “Do what is right, let the consequence follow”.

37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.

The Church is probably thinking about a disciplinary court on her right now. I don’t believe that it is just a problem within the lds church.

I discussed them with you. 3740 West Market Center Drive The priority in this stage is to be faithful, Loyal and obedient to the covenants they have made, to the LDS Church, no matter what. Do men and women sometimes abuse authority given them? Both man and woman are to blame.

I Cor 11:9 (Paul), “Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.” If Tonya’s stake president continues to be elusive regarding this matter, or if Tonya has been threatened, please provide email addresses of the area presidency over the Herriman Stake so that we can send letters of sincere concern. I am tired of being told that it is me, I have the problems… I didn’t have enough faith, I didn’t pray enough, I didn’t attend the temple enough, the list could go on and on. Those familiar with Mormon Stories Podcast will recall our earlier episodes with both Crystal and her husband Sean that detailed Sean's experience as a victim of sexual abuse and also detailing their journey out of Mormonism. I would never do this publicly and especially on Facebook, but I am somewhat scripturally bound to do so because your views have been made public. He was God in the flesh. Yet, not one of the 12 Apostles or the 70 He called to administer His Church and go before Him in the world anciently were woman. Stake President Michael Peterson’s email address: Your email address will not be published. I was mortified by them.

This is the Orthodox Christian church, or also known as the ‘ancient faith’. I can see inequalities between men and women everywhere.

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church and he is the saviour of the body. 3, 1132: Jared, Gwen, & Madison Lusk: A Former Mormon Bishop and His Family from New Mexico Face Excommunication for Apostasy Pt. Questions are wonderful if we truly seek the truth and answers. 38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God. Your story should be an Ensign article on the principle of “Unrighteous Dominion” warned about in D&C 121. Building off of our previous interview with former Jehovah's Witness, Lloyd Evans, we continue to discover the parallels between the JW Movement and Mormonism, particularly surrounding the struggle to form a new identity after leaving the religion. You shamed this sister in a public forum. As I have said in the past, I do admire your willingness to raise questions. Bias. What you did, via Facebook, was no less egregious. I am not sure how any woman participating in priesthood blessings take away from the bond of a father and child? After Jared began expressing public support for Sam Young and the Protect LDS Children movement, along with expressing public feelings about the church’s truth claims, Jared was summoned to a disciplinary council. But there came a point where I realized that maybe it wasn’t just me being deceived by satan, maybe there were actual issues and it was okay to acknowledge those and my true feelings about them. Does it not follow that if in nature we are different that we have primarily different roles?

Spencer attended UVSC and BYU, served a mission to San Antonio, Texas, and became an Industrial Designer. May God bless your journey, I imagine it likely won’t be easy for you but it will be well worthwhile… pray & keep seeking the full truth about God and his church, if there is someone worth seeking after it’s God. These men you speak of are prophets of God. Screen Shots of the correspondence between Tonya and Bishop L. I’m so sorry for Tonya being bullied by her bishop. It’s a shame. Most women know that sex is their main, but not only, value to men. I also think he should be lectured on the equality and rights of women from a pro-women perspective. You lashed your fellow sister in public and then reprimanded her for being offended as if the whole situation was her fault.

I actually feel bad for the bishop. Also, there is no excuse to treat anyone condescendingly, especially by a pastoral leader. A predominant idea since ancient times has been that a man is entitled to respect just because he is a man. Does it not follow that if in nature we are different that we have primarily different roles? I had a bishop-then-stake-president who was just like him when I was growing up in SLC..hearing the way he talked to you reminded me of my old bishop-stake president. Yet you accept for truth material without references because it agrees with your views. 1:45:37.

Let’s just say that if I were the stake president I’d be looking for a new bishop. In my opinion, the Bishop should be released from his calling, if he hasn’t already. However, questions raised to cause others to doubt their own faith or questions raised to gather others to our cause can be incredibly harmful. Thanks, Tonya, for having the courage to be on this podcast. This was so triggering for me. They don’t want to hear it. I’m very sorry that you were a victim of ecclesiastical abuse and in such a public and demeaning way. Regardless of yours or anyone’s opinion on whether his comments on Facebook where befitting of his position as bishop or not, he was totally within the realm of what should be an understanding of what Facebook is and how it works. Is that how he obtains that same bond?

Not necessarily due the back & forth with the bishop, which is also sad. But how does a mother or women exercising or using the priesthood power take anything away from a man? I genuinely appreciate the feedback, Aaron.

Again, it seems unfair for you to assume my beliefs.

The Lusks live in Farmington, New Mexico. Like in today’s politics, there is a strong Christian movement that tells us that Trump has been ordained to be president.

I thought the tone of discussion was extremely bias, unfair, and even cringy at times. by a concerned listener: Bishop Ransom H. Love. We know that everything that is done in the Mormon church gets the blessing of their legal team/scribes. Wow…this saddened me to listen to. The codependency creates love, unity and respect. I have served in several Bishoprics, a high Council, and in Ward and Stake leadership positions for decades.

There are lots of good guys as bishops, but there are many many like this one.

Stake Pres, two counselors and 12 high councilmen? I’m sure this bishop has good qualities and is not all bad, but the way he represented himself and treated you is one of the most disrespectful, demeaning responses I have ever come across from someone who is supposed to lead as Jesus Christ would. That wasn’t the point of my post. Aside from available guides he could use, we should let this go. Don’t get me wrong, though, this is just one more piece of evidence for me that people are actually good despite religion-not because of it.

They were clearly among His closest of friends and associates. Tonya will be sharing with us her story, which includes experiencing a Mormon faith crisis, expressing a public statement on social media - specifically regarding issues of women and the church - and then having her bishop question and shame her publicly for what she shared.

We have been studying the Four Gospels in Sunday School. https://i0.wp.com/…/…/01/Conference-Women-10.18-765×1024.jpg, https://kutv.com/…/l…/utah-ranked-last-in-us-gender-equality, https://www.lds.org/…/womens-divine-roles-and-responsibilit…, Expressing a public statement on social media—specifically regarding issues of women and the church—and then. It would appear that you want men and woman to be the same, when I believe the Lord wants us to celebrate and honor the differences, not to oppress but to bless and fulfill. You and your family deserve much more than an apology from him and from the Mormon Church. Even in your comments you acknowledge that social media creates a “pulpit” from which to pontificate. It outlines the divine roles and responsibilities through which both a woman and a man can receive everything.

Today's interview will expound on Crystal's experience as she learned to balance motherhood with her other life's interests, and how she rebuilt her idea of motherhood outside the paradigm of the Mormon Church. Just as a child throwing a tantrum or an animal being prodded by a sharp stick kicks out aimlessly to seek to cause harm but often only succeeds in causing itself harm.

How unfair of you to do! Look, I’m all for equal opportunity between men and women; at least as far as it’s possible; but let’s be real, men and women ARE different; are they not? Yet you would in the name of equity take that away? Yet a woman can enter without it and receives every blessing offered a man. Jared and Gwen devoted their lives to the Mormon church for 45+ years, including Jared serving as bishop from 2008-2013, and Gwen serving in multiple callings. I agree with Aaron to the extent that I think those who post things on controversial topics on Facebook should expect a response; I don’t think there is anything wrong in principle with a bishop sharing his thoughts on Facebook, even if they differ with a member of his congregation. We consult with authorities outside of ourselves because we have been told to do so. Others who are struggling, who are facing challenges can be caught up in the innocence of the questions being raised just like they have been with the sites you have sent me to. And if they are the person in authority, those under their “jurisdiction” must be faithful to them and their advice.

If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.”. Not at all, I was merely sharing my thoughts and feelings on wanting women to be viewed as equals because I do not feel that in the church. (I just barely started listening.) Fortunately, my Church leaders have never been foolish or insensitive enough to call me out, by name and over the “pulpit,” but I know they have treated me the same way behind closed doors.

And they are white men. Apparently, a woman does not need it to receive everything the Father has. Not one. I myself don’t post things on Facebook without the understanding that it IS semi-public and that there IS the possibility of my comments being bashed and derailed by even my own “friends” and family.

In the worst case, the person then tries to take as many with them as possible. There is a line I must guard. Tonya and John were simply just sharing how they perceived the Bishops comments.

But mostly because it seems your entire faith journey had been uncomfortable and unfulfilling…from wedding to baby blessings to not being given clarity to your very real questions.

Having her bishop (Ransom H. Love) question and shame her publicly for what she shared. Why does a man? Was He being prejudice or bias toward woman? My purpose was to share how I felt. You also spent way too much time and effort putting in your own opinions and conjecture while the interviewee sat there and said “right, right, right,…” , rather than allowing her to speak her own commentary.

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